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Question: what percentage of workers in major urban/suburban environments at national/global chain stores are illegal? I'm seeing signs that this percent is growing rapidly.
I'm not an immigration hawk, but this is a very bad sign.
September 21, 2009 | Permalink
Really? Granted I don't live in a major urban area, but it seems that the illegal sector of the job market has always been less, chain and more ethnic rest, construction, lawn care etc.
I always figured it was harder to get "past" the barriers, like the ID/identity checks they do now.
September 22, 2009 at 07:03 PM
I don't understand America's tolerance with illegals. I'm a foreigner in Japan myself. If I overstay I get 60 days in jail and handcuffs to the airport. I accept that reality and work with it. I mean, do Americans feel sorry for these people, or something? It'd be strange since illegals simply push real Americans out of work and no-one seems to feel sorry for them. Sounds like an acceptance policy incited by business owners just for their own financial gain. "Illegal". Kinda says it all doesn't it?
September 23, 2009 at 11:30 AM
And now the aliens we *do* want are leaving:
Eminence Grise |
September 23, 2009 at 02:43 PM
Have noticed an increase where I am as well, in places where teens/college students used to work.
Funny, because when I was a kid teens often did the landscaping. Slowly that was taken over by immigrants.
Ironic because both less-educated and more-educated immigrants seem to be leaving the country.
Can think of two drivers behind this: teens who are now college students are not used to having part-time jobs, compared with people just five, ten, fifteen years earlier. More college students rely on student loans to cover all costs (which is a shame because said loans charge extortion-level rates.) And: immigrants are more willing to cohabitate (multiple generations under a roof roof) and therefore can live in urban areas, whereas college students will not go beyond two per room due to stigma.
September 24, 2009 at 12:02 AM
I don't understand Japan's intolerance towards illegal immigrants beyond a crude ethnocentrism. And I don't get the reasoning behind dividing immigrants out into "desirable" and "undesirable" sections. In a suburban bubble, it's easy to imagine immigrants as posing some sort of threat, but I live in a town in Central Texas with a heavy working class immigrant population, both legal and illegal, where self-reliance is how things get done. It is, again, easy to come to some sufficiently brutal solution if all they're doing is whacking weeds and cleaning up after your children in the local big box, but I'm, um, reticent. We're talking a significant sector of this area's small businesses and entrepreneurs.
Robert Kelly |
September 25, 2009 at 10:43 PM
I see more here in Greensboro, NC and the surrounding area. They are flooding the free clinics here w/ cash b/c they have enough left from their paycheck to get into the "fast" line at the clinics for treatment of basic stuff.
Also, in reference to Catfish's comment, I would agree to an extent but add that w/ declining budgets at CC's and universities, students have much, much less choice and certainty with class time choices (what used to be 3-5 options is now 2 or just 1). It would be exceedingly difficult for most to have a job with a schedule that includes classes in the morning, afternoon, and evening, unless it was third shift.
September 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Mr. Robb, why do you see this as a bad sign?
September 26, 2009 at 03:04 AM
Why? A couple of reasons this is different than grey market employment:
1) Multinational corps are gaining gaining more ground on the state -- in that they are willing to flout the laws in a very visible form.
2) The floor of wages isn't the minimum wage (that became useless years ago), instead, it's what multinational retailers pay entry level people. IF that wage is being depressed by illegal labor, it contributes to a broad-based stagnation of incomes.
John Robb |
September 28, 2009 at 09:52 AM
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